Mary was not co-redeemer, Vatican says amid spread of cult of the Madonna

Vatican Issues New Guidelines, Cracking Down on 'Cult of the Madonna'

The Vatican has taken a firm stance against the growing trend of devotion to Mary, cautioning Catholics against referring to her as a "co-redeemer" or "co-redemptrix", amid claims of apparitions and supernatural phenomena that have been spread largely on social media. The decree, approved by Pope Leo, emphasizes Jesus' exclusive role in saving humanity from hellfire.

According to the Vatican's doctrinal office, Mary played an instrumental role in paving the way for redemption through her son Jesus, but she was not a participant in his salvation. This assertion has sparked debate among scholars and even divided previous popes, with some predecessors like John Paul II and Benedict XVI opposing the title of co-redeemer.

The Vatican's latest move is seen as an attempt to put brakes on the "cult of the Madonna", which has gained traction particularly among conservative Catholics. Cardinal VΓ­ctor Manuel FernΓ‘ndez described certain Marian devotion groups as lacking in authenticity, while Vatican correspondent Iacopo Scaramuzzi noted that the decree was a way to curb excessive devotion that can lead to confusion and misinterpretation.

Pope Francis' own warnings against self-centered Marian devotion have also been cited as a driving force behind this new guidance. "When Marian devotion is too self-centred, it's not good," he had said in 2023, drawing parallels between the excesses of devotionalism and the risks of scams and hoaxes.

The Vatican's efforts to regulate claims of supernatural phenomena come on the heels of a recent crackdown on scams and hoaxes involving apparitions and weeping statues. By reaffirming Jesus' central role in redemption, the Vatican aims to reorient Catholic devotion towards the figure who is considered the epitome of Christian soteriology.

Robert Mickens, a Rome-based Vatican expert, believes that this move will please progressive Catholics, who tend to view Mary as an exalted human figure rather than semi-divine. The Vatican's new guidelines underscore the tension between authentic devotional practices and those that blur the lines between legitimate devotion and cult-like behavior.
 
πŸ€” think its a bit weird how the Vatican is cracking down on this but like, at the same time its kinda obvious why they're doing it - social media can be super wild and ppl need boundaries πŸ“±... its all about finding that balance between honoring Jesus & showing love for Mary, you feel? πŸ‘©β€πŸŽ€ dont get me wrong im not a theology expert or anything but even I know that Marys role is more like paving the way than being the actual savior πŸ™Œ its interesting to see how this plays out though, especially with Pope Francis speaking out... πŸ“’
 
Ugh, I remember when people used to just focus on Jesus and his teachings, you know? Now it feels like every time there's a Catholic holiday or event, everyone's all about Mary too πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ. Don't get me wrong, she's important, but can we please not make her out to be something she's not? I mean, the Pope's trying to crack down on this "cult of the Madonna" thing, and it's kinda understandable, especially when people start talking about apparitions and supernatural stuff... that just sounds like a bunch of hooey πŸ™„. But at the same time, I'm all for progressive Catholics being passionate about their faith too - maybe we can just find a way to balance everything out? πŸ€”
 
this whole thing is super weird πŸ€” i mean, pope leo is basically saying marys role in salvation was more like a supporting actor than the star of the show. and now they're cracking down on ppl calling her co-redeemer? that's just gonna make devout catholics feel like their faith is being scrutinized too much πŸ˜• plus, what's next? are they gonna regulate people's love for jesus too? πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ
 
I'm worried about where this is gonna lead. I mean, Mary is an important part of Catholicism for a reason - she's the one who got to experience Jesus' divinity firsthand, you know? And if we start erasing her role in all this, it feels like we're just ignoring half the story. The Vatican's trying to curb devotion that gets too extreme, but isn't that just gonna push people into even more secret or underground groups? It's a slippery slope, imo πŸ€”
 
I gotta say, it's kinda weird how some folks are gettin' all worked up about callin' Mary a co-redeemer... like, isn't she just the mom of Jesus or somethin'? πŸ€” And I'm thinkin', why not? She's definitely played a role in Jesus' life and all. But at the same time, you gotta respect the Church's stance on this. They're tryin' to keep things real and focused on Jesus, which is important. But it's also interesting that some people are feelin' like Mary's gettin' too much attention... maybe that's just a result of us livin' in a society where everyone's lookin' for their own personal savior? πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ Anyway, I think the Vatican's tryin' to strike a balance here, and we'll have to see how it all plays out.
 
πŸ™ I think it's kinda weird how some people are getting really worked up about this whole 'co-redeemer' thing... I mean, come on, Mary played a huge role in Jesus' life, no doubt about it! But to say she was a participant in his salvation? That's just not what the Bible says, right? πŸ€” And yeah, I get where the Vatican is coming from - we don't want people getting all mixed up and thinking Mary's somehow co-CEO of God's redemption plan... πŸ˜‚ But at the same time, it feels like they're kinda stifling some pretty deep devotion and love for our Lady. Like, what about all those Catholics who genuinely feel a connection to Mary? 🌹 Shouldn't we be encouraging that kind of spiritual intimacy? πŸ’– Anyway, I guess we'll just have to see how this all plays out... one thing's for sure, it's getting pretty interesting! πŸ”₯
 
πŸ™ I think its kinda weird they're cracking down on people calling Mary a co-redeemer tho like isnt it just a way to show respect & appreciation for her role in Jesus' life? πŸ€” The Vatican's always been pretty strict about what Catholics can & cant say, but cant they just let us have some nuance in our faith? 😩 I mean, its not like people are worshipping Mary instead of Jesus or anything... thats just not the case here. πŸ’–
 
Ugh, come on Vatican πŸ™„. Can't they just let people express their faith in a way that doesn't involve constantly policing their own devotion? I mean, what's next? Telling us how to wear our rosary beads or which prayers to say at night? It's like they're trying to control every aspect of our spiritual lives.

And honestly, who are they kidding with this whole "co-redeemer" thing? πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ It's just a fancy title for saying Mary played a role in Jesus' salvation. But do they really need to spell it out like that? Can't we just have faith and trust our own experiences without needing the Vatican's stamp of approval?

This whole "cult of the Madonna" thing is so overwrought πŸ™„. I get that some people take their devotion a bit too far, but can't we just let them find their own way to express it? The Vatican needs to focus on more pressing issues... like why they're still using dial-up internet πŸ˜‚.
 
πŸ€” im not sure about this new guideline from the vatican...like, i get where they're coming from, jesus is the savior and all, but can't we just have a little appreciation for the mrs? 😊 i mean, mary played a big role in getting us closer to god through her son, that's def real. and papa francis said something about self-centered devotion being bad, but isn't a lil bit of fandom cool too? πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ i guess what im sayin is, can we find a balance between honoring jesus and honoring mary as his mom? 😊
 
πŸ€” the vatican's trying to put the brakes on this 'cult of the madonna' thing, but honestly who gets to decide what's a little too much devotion? seems like they're just trying to keep things under control, not really addressing the underlying issues... πŸ™„
 
I don't get why they're making such a big deal about this πŸ€”. Like, Mary is an important figure in Christianity, but she wasn't exactly saving humanity on her own. It's cool that people are passionate about her, but shouldn't we be more open to different interpretations of faith? I mean, even previous popes were divided on this stuff. And let's be real, some of these Marian devotion groups sound pretty legit to me πŸ™. The Vatican's just trying to keep things in check, right? But at the same time, it feels like they're being kinda controlling about what people can and can't say or do. Like, don't we want to have a conversation about faith without being told what's "authentic" or not? πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ
 
πŸ˜’ I'm literally so over this πŸ™„... like, can't we just love Mary without turning her into some kinda goddess? 🀯 This is just another example of how we're getting rid of all the 'soft' stuff in Christianity and being super strict about it πŸ”’. And what's with this "co-redeemer" thing? It's not like she didn't play a role in Jesus' life or anything, but come on πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ... The Vatican is just trying to control everything and make sure we don't get too carried away with our devotion πŸ’”. I mean, I'm all for respecting the teachings of Jesus, but can't we still appreciate Mary as a symbol of love and compassion? ❀️ This whole "cult of the Madonna" thing is just so... extra 🀯
 
I'm not sure I agree with the Vatican's new stance on this tho πŸ€”... Like, what's wrong with people loving Mary? She's like a symbol of hope and love for many Catholics. It feels like they're kinda dismissing all the good things she represents πŸ™…β€β™‚οΈ. The whole thing about her being co-redemptrix is actually pretty cool in my opinion - it shows that she was super involved in helping Jesus save humanity πŸ’–... And I think Pope Francis' warnings were more about balance than saying Marian devotion is bad altogether πŸ€—. It's all about finding the right vibe, you know? Maybe they're just trying to keep things from getting too crazy on social media πŸ˜‚...
 
the whole 'co-redeemer' thing is so extra lol 🀣 papal drama never ends! anyway, i think this is a good move for the vatican to clear up some misconceptions about mary's role in christianity. it's easy to get caught up in devotion and get carried away with supernatural claims... but at the end of the day, jesus is still the one who saves us πŸ™

i also feel like this is a case of "let's not forget where we came from" - the vatican's trying to recenter christianity around jesus' teachings, rather than getting lost in elaborate devotional rituals. papo francis was right when he said it's all about balance... not too self-centered, not too weird πŸ€—
 
Ugh, can't believe the Vatican is trying to squash our love for the Mother πŸ™πŸ˜’ I mean, I get it, they want to keep things in check and all that jazz, but it feels like they're just trying to control every little thing about our faith... newsflash, Jesus isn't even mentioned in these new guidelines! πŸ€” Like, what's up with that? It's all about Mary, Mary, Mary... I swear, the more you try to regulate devotion, the more people are gonna wanna rebel against it. And those Marian devotion groups? They're just trying to be passionate and genuine, ya know? πŸ™Œ So yeah, Pope Francis was right, when he said that self-centered Marian devotion is a no-go... but can't we just have a little bit of love and adoration for Mary too?! πŸ’–πŸ‘΅β€πŸ»πŸ˜­
 
πŸ€” So I think it's interesting how the Vatican is trying to crack down on this 'cult of the Madonna' movement, especially with all the claims of apparitions and supernatural stuff on social media. It's like they're saying Mary was super important for Jesus' mission and all, but she wasn't a participant in his whole saving humanity thing.

I've read some comments from people who are like "but what about all the times Mary appeared to people and helped them out?" And I get that it can be tempting to look to these kinds of experiences as evidence that Mary is still super active and involved. But at the same time, I think it's also important to remember that we shouldn't just take stuff at face value.

I mean, if Jesus was the one who saved humanity, shouldn't he get all the glory? And yeah, maybe some people are taking this devotion thing too far and getting caught up in stuff that's not based on solid theology. So I think it's good that the Vatican is trying to sort out what's authentic and what's not. πŸ™
 
This is getting weird πŸ€” I get why they're trying to keep things in check, but come on, the Madonna has been around for centuries! Can't people just love her for who she is? πŸ™ I mean, Jesus was all about loving his followers and showing them God's love, right? Why can't we do the same with Mary? It feels like they're trying to control how we express our faith, instead of letting us find our own way πŸ’– And what's up with this "cult" label? Is it just because some people are getting a little too into it? πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ
 
I'm not sure what's next πŸ€”. I mean, isn't it kinda cool that Catholics are still passionate about Mary? It's like they're saying her life was super meaningful too πŸ™. But at the same time, I get why the Vatican wants to set boundaries - if people start calling her a co-redemptrix or whatever, it can lead to some weird interpretations 🀯. And yeah, I guess Pope Francis' warnings about self-centered devotion make sense πŸ‘Œ. But still, isn't Mary kinda like the ultimate symbol of love and compassion? Can't we just appreciate that instead of trying to pin her down with rules? 😊
 
I gotta say, I'm kinda surprised by this move from the Vatican πŸ€”. It feels like they're trying to rein in some folks who are getting a little too carried away with their devotion to Mary. I mean, I get it, Jesus is the main man and all, but come on, Mary's got her own thing going on too 😊.

I'm not sure I agree with the whole "co-redeemer" thing though πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ. It feels like they're trying to downplay Mary's role in salvation a bit too much. And what's up with the whole "cult of the Madonna" label? Sounds like some people are just looking for an excuse to get all extra about it πŸ’β€β™€οΈ.

It's definitely interesting that Pope Francis has been vocal about this stuff, and I can see how his warnings would be taken as a call to action πŸ“£. But at the same time, isn't devotion supposed to be a personal thing? Don't people have the right to get all up in Mary's biz if they want to? πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ It's like they're trying to police everyone's spirituality and it just feels... restrictive 🚫.

I guess only time will tell how this whole thing plays out, but for now, I'm just gonna be over here observing from the sidelines πŸ‘€.
 
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