MPs want answers on 'exaggerated' Villa-Maccabi match intelligence

MPs are demanding answers from police over claims that their decision to ban Israeli fans from an Aston Villa match was based on exaggerated intelligence about the threat posed by Maccabi Tel Aviv supporters. The claim, made in a report by the Sunday Times, suggests that West Midlands Police (WMP) had overstated the risk of violence by comparing it to a similar incident involving Ajax and Maccabi Tel Aviv fans in Amsterdam last year.

The police force has defended its evaluation, saying it was based on "proportionate" measures taken to ensure public safety. However, Conservative MP Nick Timothy is calling for the publication of all intelligence material relating to the ban and evidence considered by Birmingham's Safety Advisory Group (SAG). He claims that the Maccabi fans were not skilled and organized fighters as reported by police but rather "just made up".

The government has stepped in, with Home Office Minister Sarah Jones writing to WMP Chief Constable Craig Guildford to ask for clarity. She also stated that she had asked His Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary, Fire and Rescue Services to carry out a wider investigation into how safety assessments were carried out.

A spokesperson for the police force has denied any exaggeration, stating that their evaluation was based on information and intelligence with public safety at its core. They concluded that a sub-section of Maccabi fans posed a credible threat to public safety during the fixture against Ajax in Amsterdam.

The debate raises questions about the accuracy of intelligence used by police forces to make decisions about fan restrictions and the need for greater transparency. As the issue continues, MPs are pushing for answers on how this incident came to be and whether it was based on sound judgment or misinformation.
 
I'm not sure what's more concerning here... is that our MP's questioning is making a mountain out of a molehill ๐Ÿ˜ or that the police really did overestimate the threat posed by Maccabi fans ๐Ÿค”. Either way, it's all about accountability and trust, right? ๐Ÿ’ฏ I think we should be looking at how they evaluate public safety risks, not who gets banned from a footy match ๐Ÿ‘ฃ. Transparency is key here - if there was misinformation, who knew what and when? ๐Ÿ•ฐ๏ธ It'd be good to get some answers on that, don't you think? ๐Ÿค—
 
omg can't believe the police got it so wrong ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™‚๏ธ their excuse about the Amsterdam match doesn't add up at all... they're saying one group of fans is a threat but another group isn't? sounds like a total double standard to me ๐Ÿ˜’ and yeah the government should def be looking into this more closely, can't have just anyone getting banned from an event without solid proof ๐Ÿ“
 
OMG u guys, can't even believe what's goin down here! ๐Ÿคฏ So like, Aston Villa is supposed to play against Maccabi Tel Aviv and the cops banned all Israeli fans from the match... but now we find out they might've made a major mistake? ๐Ÿ˜ฑ Like, overestimated the threat or something? This is so crazy! I feel for the Israeli fans who were just trying to watch a game, ugh. And what's with the police sayin' they took "proportionate" measures? Doesn't sound right, fam... ๐Ÿ‘Ž The gov is gettin involved too, which is cool, but like, why did it take them so long to step in? ๐Ÿค” I think this whole thing highlights how important transparency is, especially when it comes to policing decisions. We need more facts and less speculation, you feel? ๐Ÿ’ก
 
I think its crazy how the whole situation went down. If the police really thought Maccabi fans were gonna cause a riot like that in Amsterdam, why did they take those precautions in the first place? It's not like Aston Villa and Manchester City have a history of clashing with their Israeli supporters or anything ๐Ÿค”

I mean, if MPs are pushing for answers, its good to know what went down. The whole thing reeks of a big misunderstanding. I'm glad the government is stepping in and asking some tough questions. Maybe this will lead to some changes in how police forces gather intel on fan groups. Transparency is key here ๐Ÿ“
 
I'm really concerned about this situation ๐Ÿค”. I mean, think about it - fans just trying to watch a football match? It's crazy that some people thought they posed an "exaggerated" threat ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ. But at the same time, we all want to feel safe when we're out and about, right? ๐Ÿ™

I don't know what the police were thinking, but it doesn't seem like a fair or reasonable decision to ban whole groups of fans just because they weren't "skilled" fighters ๐Ÿ˜…. And now there's even more questions being asked about how this all went down ๐Ÿ‘€.

We need some clarity here ๐Ÿ“ and transparency ๐Ÿ’ก. It's not just about the fans, it's about trust in our institutions too ๐Ÿค. The government is stepping in to help, which is good, but we still need answers from the police on what really happened ๐Ÿค”. Maybe this can all be sorted out in the end, but for now, I'm feeling a bit uneasy ๐Ÿ˜ฌ
 
omg I just got back from a football match last weekend ๐ŸŸ๏ธ๐Ÿ‘ and I'm still trying to figure out what's going on here ๐Ÿค”... so like the police are saying they did everything they could to keep everyone safe but some MPs don't believe them ๐Ÿ™„ and now there's all this drama about it ๐Ÿ“ฐ๐Ÿ˜ฌ... I mean I know fans can get pretty rowdy sometimes but shouldn't they just talk to each other instead of getting bouncers involved ๐Ÿ˜…?
 
I'm still fuming thinking about that Aston Villa match ๐Ÿคฏ. I mean, can you believe they banned Israeli fans from the game? It's so unfair! The police force says they were doing it for safety reasons, but what if it's just a case of overcautiousness? I've seen stuff like this happen in school assemblies when the police come to talk to us about crowd control... ๐Ÿšจ

I don't trust what the police are saying right now. They keep saying they had 'proportionate' measures, but proportionate for who? The fans or themselves? It's all a bit suspicious if you ask me ๐Ÿ˜’. What really gets my goat is when they compare it to that Ajax incident in Amsterdam... sounds like they're making excuses instead of owning up to their mistake ๐Ÿ™…โ€โ™‚๏ธ.

We need to see the actual intel, dude! Transparency is key here. Can't just sweep things under the rug because it's uncomfortable ๐Ÿ˜’. I hope the Home Office gets to the bottom of this and we get some answers soon...
 
idk what's going on here ๐Ÿค”, seems like there's been a lot of hype around the whole Israeli fans ban situation at Aston Villa... so yeah, I agree that transparency is key, but I'm not sure if MPs are being too hasty in demanding answers from the police. I mean, we need to give them some credit for trying to keep public safety in mind, even if it means making tough decisions ๐Ÿ’ฏ. But at the same time, it's crazy how they can compare a match against Ajax to this one situation and say "oh, Maccabi fans are just not skilled fighters"... sounds like some cherry-picking to me ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™‚๏ธ. still, I suppose we need more info on what really went down... maybe the gov't's getting in the right direction by asking for an investigation ๐Ÿ”
 
๐Ÿค” I think its kinda weird that Maccabi fans were described as not being skilled and organized fighters but just "made up". I mean, if thats the case then what intelligence led police to believe they posed a threat in first place? Wasnt it a bad call to ban them all in the first place? And now MPs are asking for answers and stuff. Im curious to see how this gets resolved and if we'll ever get to know whats really going on behind the scenes ๐Ÿ‘€
 
๐Ÿค” I think this whole thing is super suspicious. If they're saying that Maccabi fans were just "made up" and not skilled fighters, then why did the police take such drastic measures? It doesn't add up to me. And what's with the comparison to Ajax in Amsterdam? Did the police really think those fans posed a similar threat? ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ The fact that they're denying any exaggeration but still can't provide solid evidence is pretty concerning. I mean, shouldn't transparency be key when it comes to decision-making like this? ๐Ÿ’ก
 
lol @ all these MPs goin' on about what's good for public safety... i mean, can't they just chill? ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ I think the cops did their job, even if the intel was a bit off. I'm not sayin' Maccabi fans are gonna start throwin' Molotovs or anythin', but still gotta take precautions, right? ๐Ÿค” What's wrong with a little overcautiousness when it comes to protectin' people's lives? ๐Ÿ˜ It's not like the cops are tryin' to discriminate against no one... might be some good reason why they were more concerned about those Maccabi fans than others... ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ
 
omg u guys i cant even believe what's going down w/ Aston Villa match I mean i've been a huge fan since i was little but now im super disappointed in the police ๐Ÿค• they gotta be honest about why they banned those Israeli fans, it sounds like they were just paranoid lol and over-reacted ๐Ÿ™„ its not fair to Maccabi Tel Aviv supporters and their fans who just wanna watch the match I'm thinking of checking out some vids from that Amsterdam incident to see what really went down ๐Ÿ“บ๐Ÿ‘€
 
lol what a mess ๐Ÿคฏ... so basically they were like "oh no maccabi fans are gonna be violent" and then they ended up banning them from the game but now it seems like maybe they didn't know that much about them ๐Ÿค”... i mean i get that safety first and all, but do we really need to overreact? ๐Ÿšซ... this just shows how complicated these things can get when there's a bunch of different perspectives involved ๐Ÿ’ก... and honestly, the police's "proportionate measures" sounds like just a fancy way of saying they were trying to cover their own behinds ๐Ÿ˜‚... anyways, think we'll ever know the real story? ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ
 
This whole thing is so weird ๐Ÿค”... I mean, you gotta wonder what's really going on behind the scenes with police decisions like this. One minute they're saying there's a huge threat from these fans, the next they're downplaying it and saying it was just a few "just made up" fans. Like, come on! You can't just downplay something that serious like that and expect everyone to buy it. ๐Ÿ™„ And now MPs are trying to get to the bottom of it? That's what we should've seen from them in the first place... transparency and accountability, you know? ๐Ÿ’ฏ
 
๐Ÿค” I feel like we're getting a bit carried away here... can't we just try to understand where each side is coming from? ๐Ÿ™ The police did their job, right? But at the same time, we need to make sure they're not being too drastic with the measures. ๐Ÿ˜ฌ I mean, it's one thing to have a few troublemakers in a crowd, but another to ban an entire group of fans. ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ What if that was just a big misunderstanding? ๐Ÿค”

I think we need to get to the bottom of this and see what really happened, but let's not make assumptions or accusations without having all the facts. ๐Ÿ’ก It's easy to say "they were just trying to be overly cautious" or "they made it up", but we don't know that for sure... do we? ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ
 
I think we need to get to the bottom of what really happened here... ๐Ÿค”๐Ÿ‘ฎโ€โ™‚๏ธ There's a big difference between a proportionate measure and an exaggerated threat assessment. I'm not saying the police were wrong, but it doesn't look good when one side is calling out the other for misinformation ๐Ÿ“ฐ. And honestly, if we're gonna talk about public safety, shouldn't we be focusing on what really went down instead of who's at fault? ๐Ÿ’ก The government's trying to bring clarity to this situation, and I'm all for it... let's see where the investigation takes us! ๐Ÿ”
 
I mean, think about it... the line between "proportionate measures" and "exaggeration" is so thin ๐Ÿค”. Can we really trust that our police forces have all the facts? I'm not saying they're wrong, but what if their intelligence was based on a flawed assumption or an incomplete picture of the situation? And what's the cost of safety - is it worth risking the rights of innocent fans just in case? ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ It makes me wonder about our society's priorities... are we more concerned with security than with freedom to enjoy live events? I guess that's what this whole debate is trying to get at, but sometimes I feel like we're just scratching the surface.
 
I'm getting so frustrated with all these politicians jumpin' into this situation ๐Ÿคฏ. Like, can't they just back off and let the police do their job? The whole point of having a Safety Advisory Group is to get expert opinions on safety assessments, right? So, why's everyone wantin' to know every single detail about what went down in Amsterdam last year? It's just gonna be some random info that doesn't even relate to the current situation. I mean, I'm all for transparency and accountability, but come on, let's not get carried away here ๐Ÿ˜’.

I've been a loyal fan of Aston Villa since I was a kid, and I know how passionate their supporters are. But at the end of the day, it's just footy, you know? It shouldn't be all about the hooey about intelligence reports ๐Ÿคช. The police force has got a point about takin' proportionate measures to keep people safe. Can we just focus on findin' out what really went down and how we can move forward in a positive way?
 
idk why ppl get so worked up over this lol. like, fans got banned from a match because cops thought they might get violent? big deal. sounds like cops overreacted if u ask me ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ but at the same time, i dont think its cool when MPs start sniffing around for info on what led to the ban without actually knowing the full story... that just makes it worse ๐Ÿ˜’. and what is with all this fuss about the gov getting involved? cant they just let the police get their act together already? ๐Ÿ™„
 
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