The Guardian view on Ukraine peace talks: Putin is taking Trump for another ride on the Kremlin carousel | Editorial

"Ukraine at a Crossroads: Trump Being Used as Pawn in Putin's Game"

As the US Thanksgiving Day deadline for Ukraine peace talks came and went, Russia expert Mark Galeotti pointed to a key indicator of how the Kremlin is handling diplomatic efforts. A government paper revealed that Vladimir Putin has no interest in a ceasefire followed by talks that would defend Ukraine's sovereignty, but rather seeks its reabsorption into Moscow's orbit.

Putin's demands for further Ukrainian territory are non-negotiable, and his rhetoric towards Volodymyr Zelenskyy's government is increasingly vitriolic. The Russian president has called the Ukrainian leader "illegitimate" and questioned the legitimacy of any future agreement. This approach has led to a flawed peace plan that calls for an end to fighting as a precondition for talks over territory, mirroring the Kremlin's own wishlist.

The US role in these negotiations is problematic, with Donald Trump being strung along by Putin. The President's desire to do business with Russia and his own sense of self-importance may lead him to inadvertently facilitate Moscow's agenda. This would be catastrophic for Ukraine, which has already suffered four years of resistance, sacrifice, and suffering.

Europe must not let this happen. Providing Kyiv with sufficient financial and military resources to resist Russian aggression is essential. This can come through various channels, including a "reparations loan" underwritten by frozen Russian assets or the EU budget. The key is for European leaders to send a clear signal that they will resolutely defend Ukraine's right to a just peace.

Meanwhile, President Zelenskyy must be given more control over his own destiny. He needs resources and support to resist Russia's advances in eastern Ukraine. As the Kremlin seeks leverage through battlefield attrition and diplomatic pressure, Europe must offer a powerful counterbalance. The fate of Ukraine hangs in the balance, and it is imperative that the international community acts swiftly to prevent a cynical carve-up.
 
man this whole situation with ukraine is soooo dire ๐Ÿค• Putin's playing a super shady game using trump as a pawn ๐Ÿค‘ and europe needs to wake up ASAP ๐Ÿ’ฅ we can't let him just take over ukraine without putting up a fight ๐Ÿšซ the us is like "oh look we're helping" but really they're just enabling putin's agenda ๐Ÿ˜’ Zelenskyy deserves way more support than what he's getting right now ๐Ÿ’ช and europe needs to step up their financial & military game stat โฑ๏ธ if not, it's gonna be a dark winter for ukraine โ„๏ธ
 
I'm worried about how things are gonna go down with Trump being used like this ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™‚๏ธ. Putin's got some bad cards to play here, but the West can't just sit back and let Ukraine get crushed ๐Ÿ’”. I think Europe needs to show some serious strength and send Ukraine a solid message that they're not alone in this fight. We need more financial support and military aid ASAP ๐Ÿค‘๐Ÿ’ช, or else Russia's gonna take advantage of our inaction. The thing is, it's easy to talk about sending Kyiv resources when you're not the ones on the front lines... what if we can't even get an agreement between Ukraine and Russia? ๐Ÿ˜ฌ
 
I'm so worried about this ๐Ÿค•... Trump being used as Putin's pawn is super concerning. If the US President really thinks he can do business with Russia, he's forgetting the lessons of '08 ๐Ÿ˜ด. It's Ukraine that's been getting screwed over here, and it's not fair at all. Four years of fighting and suffering is already a huge price to pay... if Europe doesn't step up and give Ukraine some serious help, I think it could be game over for them ๐Ÿ’”. We need more than just words โ€“ we need action. And ASAP ๐Ÿ•’๏ธ.
 
I'm getting really worried about this situation with Ukraine... ๐Ÿค• Putin's actions are so aggressive and it feels like he's not even trying to be diplomatic anymore. I mean, calling Zelenskyy "illegitimate" is just ridiculous! ๐Ÿ™„ What does that even prove? And Trump being used as a pawn in Putin's game? That's just unbelievable... ๐Ÿ˜ฑ The US should be supporting Ukraine more, not strung along by Russia like this. We need to show Moscow that we're serious about standing up for Ukrainian sovereignty. ๐Ÿ’ช Europe needs to step up and provide Zelenskyy with the resources he needs to resist Russian aggression. It can't just sit back and let Putin get away with this... ๐Ÿšซ
 
๐Ÿคฏ seriously though, can't believe Trump's being used like this! ๐Ÿ™„ Putin's got him wrapped around his finger like a puppet on a string. It's not right, Ukraine needs our help and support ASAP โฐ. Zelenskyy's gotta be in the driver's seat here, making decisions for himself & his country. We can't just sit back & let Russia bully them ๐Ÿค•. I'm all for financial & military aid, but what really matters is a solid stance from Europe - we need to stand united behind Ukraine ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ๐Ÿ’ช. Can't let Putin get away with this, it's time for some serious diplomatic action ๐Ÿ’ผ.
 
๐Ÿšจ๐Ÿ’ฅ This whole situation with Trump being used as a pawn by Putin is super concerning ๐Ÿค•! Like, how can we trust Russia's intentions when they're already playing dirty with Ukraine? ๐Ÿšซ And honestly, who does Trump think he is, getting pulled around like this? ๐Ÿ™„ The US should be focusing on supporting Ukraine, not trying to make deals with the enemy. ๐Ÿ’ธ Europe needs to step up and provide Ukraine with the resources it needs to fight back against Russia's aggression. It's time for some real leadership and a clear message: we will not let you bully Ukraine into submission ๐Ÿšซ๐Ÿ’ช
 
I don't think we're doing enough to help Ukraine ๐Ÿค”. The EU and US are all about finding ways to get Russia on board without really making them back down ๐Ÿค‘. Trump might be used as a pawn, but what if he's using us instead? Putin's got no interest in a real ceasefire, only in controlling Ukraine ๐Ÿ’ธ. We need to stop playing games and give Zelenskyy the support he needs - resources, troops, whatever ๐Ÿš€. Can't let Russia just carve up Eastern Europe without pushing back ๐Ÿšซ.
 
I'm getting anxiety thinking about this ๐Ÿ˜ฌ Putin's demands are not going down well with me, Ukraine has already lost so much ๐ŸŒช๏ธ 4 years of fighting, what if we don't act now? ๐Ÿ’ธ The US needs to step up, I mean Trump is no expert in diplomacy... ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™‚๏ธ I'm surprised he hasn't gotten a fact-check on his Russia trip yet ๐Ÿ“š Anyway, Ukraine's sovereignty can't be compromised ๐Ÿšซ

Here are some stats to put this into perspective:

๐ŸŒŽ 12% of global wheat production comes from Ukraine
๐Ÿšง The conflict has resulted in $100B worth of damages
๐Ÿฅ Over 13,000 people have died in the fighting
๐Ÿ’ธ The EU needs to provide at least โ‚ฌ10B in reparations for Ukraine

A "reparations loan" underwritten by frozen Russian assets would be a good starting point ๐Ÿค‘ Meanwhile, let's look at some military stats:

๐Ÿšจ Russia has 45K troops stationed in eastern Ukraine
๐Ÿ•ณ๏ธ The US has provided $23B in aid to Ukraine so far
๐Ÿ”ซ NATO's military spending accounts for 70% of global defense expenditure

Let's hope Europe gets its act together ๐Ÿ’ช
 
๐Ÿค” I mean, can you believe this? Putin's been playing Trump like a fiddle for ages, and now the US is all like "oh no, we're not doing business with Russia". What about all those times Trump was buddies with Putin though? ๐Ÿ˜‚ It's like, hindsight is 20/20, right? Anyway, I think Europe needs to step up its game and give Ukraine the support it needs. We can't just sit back and let Putin bully them around. ๐Ÿ™…โ€โ™‚๏ธ Those frozen Russian assets could be a great way to get Kyiv the help they need, like a "reparations loan" or whatever. And what's with Putin calling Zelenskyy "illegitimate"? That's some pretty shady stuff right there. ๐Ÿ˜ณ
 
๐Ÿค” I think this whole thing is a perfect example of how diplomacy can get derailed by ego ๐Ÿ™„. Putin's refusal to negotiate on Ukraine's sovereignty is all about him getting what he wants, and Trump being used as a pawn in that game just shows how easily we can be played against each other. But here's the thing: it's not just about Ukraine or Russia โ€“ it's about us, Europe ๐ŸŒ. We need to learn to put our own interests aside and work together to prevent a catastrophic outcome. It's time for us to step up and show that we care more about doing what's right than just looking good ๐Ÿค.
 
๐Ÿค” Putin's demands for further Ukrainian territory are like asking Ukraine to give up its identity just because Russia wants to relive its imperial past. Newsflash, Vlad: you can't buy back history with cash and power ๐Ÿ’ธ๐Ÿ˜’

And what's with the US playing pawn in this game? ๐Ÿคบโ€โ™‚๏ธ I mean, we're supposed to be supporting Ukraine, but Trump is getting played by Putin like a fiddle ๐ŸŽป. We need to put our money where our mouth is and give Ukraine the resources they deserve, not just rhetoric ๐Ÿ—ฃ๏ธ

The EU needs to step up its game and offer Kyiv some real support, whether it's through financial aid or military help ๐Ÿš€๐Ÿ’ช. We can't let Putin bully them into submission. And what's with the 'reparations loan' idea? It sounds like a bad joke ๐Ÿ˜‚. Just give Ukraine the cash and let them handle their own affairs.

The international community needs to act fast before it's too late โฐ. Ukraine's sovereignty is not up for grabs, and we need to make that clear. No more playing both sides against each other ๐Ÿค. It's time for some real action! ๐Ÿ’ฅ
 
can't believe trump is being used like this... Putin's just trying to manipulate him into getting what he wants, which is basically ukraine's territory ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™‚๏ธ. and europe's all like "oh wait, we forgot about ukraine" now. can't they see what's happening? it's not just about ukraine, it's about the whole europe thing too... but seriously, how hard is it to support kyiv when they're getting slaughtered over there? ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ
 
I'm still trying to wrap my head around this whole situation ๐Ÿคฏ. I mean, can you believe Putin is basically saying that he wants Ukraine to just be like Russia or something? It's like, hello Ukraine has its own identity and people who care about it ๐Ÿ’•. And what's with Trump being used as a pawn in all of this? Like, didn't the US learn from past experiences? I'm getting major "embarrassment" vibes from this whole situation ๐Ÿ˜ณ. We need to step up our game and show Putin that we're not going to let Ukraine be pushed around ๐Ÿšซ๐Ÿ’ช. And can we please give Zelenskyy some space to do his own thing? He's trying to lead Ukraine through a tough time, but it feels like everyone's breathing down his neck ๐Ÿ‘ฅ. It's time for us to take action and support Ukraine - financially, militarily, whatever ๐Ÿค.
 
๐Ÿค” I'm still trying to wrap my head around how Russia's been using Trump as some kinda pawn ๐Ÿค‘๐Ÿ’ธ like this whole thing's just one big mess ๐Ÿšฎ what if Europe doesn't step up and help Ukraine out? They've already lost so much, it'd be a tragedy for the entire region ๐Ÿ’”
 
Putin's getting desperate ๐Ÿค”, he thinks Trump will just do his dirty work for him? LOL, what a joke ๐Ÿ˜‚. I mean, I get why Trump would want to make some cash from Russia, but come on, Ukraine is like the biggest mess right now and it's not even America's problem (imo). Zelenskyy needs more than just talk-backs and aid; he needs actual resources and military support ๐Ÿ’ช. The EU has gotta step up their game here, 'cause Putin's gonna play dirty unless they show him who's boss ๐Ÿ˜Ž. We can't let Ukraine fall into his trap ๐ŸŒ€... that'd be a disaster! ๐Ÿšจ
 
I'm really worried about what's happening with Ukraine ๐Ÿ˜ฉ. It seems like Putin is just using Trump to get what he wants, which is not good for anyone. I don't think we should be helping Trump try to make deals with Russia because it sounds like Putin is just going to use that against Ukraine.

We need to help Ukraine more, not less ๐Ÿค. They've already been through so much and it's not fair to expect them to fight on their own while Putin just keeps pushing for more land. We need to give Ukraine the resources they need to resist Russia's aggression, like more money and support ๐Ÿ’ธ.

It's also not good that Trump is being used as a pawn in all this ๐Ÿคฅ. He should be focused on helping his country instead of trying to make deals with Russia. I just hope Europe can send a strong message that we won't let Ukraine get taken over without a fight ๐Ÿ”’.
 
๐Ÿค” Putin's gotta be thinking we're soft if he can get Trump to do his bidding ๐Ÿ™„. Any deal that doesn't keep Ukraine whole is a no-go for me ๐Ÿ˜’. Can you imagine US cash flowing into Russia like that? ๐Ÿ’ธ It just don't add up.

Here's my diagram of why this could go sideways:
```
+---------------+
| Putin's |
| Agendas |
+---------------+
|
|
v
+-----------------------+
| US Diplomacy |
| (Trump in the loop)|
+-----------------------+
|
|
v
+---------------+
| Ukraine's |
| Future |
+---------------+
|
|
v
-1- 0 (Good)
/|\ /|\
-2- -3-
\|/ \|/
+---------------+ +---------------+
| US Backs | | Russia Wins |
| Ukraine | | Ukraine Loses|
+---------------+ +---------------+
```
Ukraine needs our help, stat! ๐Ÿ’ช
 
I'm reading this news thread and I gotta say, Trump being used as Putin's pawn is super concerning ๐Ÿค”. It's like, what's in it for him? Is he really so desperate for a deal with Russia? I mean, we all know how that ends ๐Ÿ˜’. Ukraine deserves better, especially after everything they've been through. The EU needs to step up and support Zelenskyy more, like, seriously increase the aid ๐Ÿ’ธ. Can't let Putin get away with this ๐Ÿ˜ก. We gotta stand behind Ukraine now more than ever ๐Ÿ’ช.
 
OMG u gotta think about what's at stake here ๐Ÿคฏ like Ukraine is already goin thru so much with Russia & now we got Trump gettin used as pawn in Putin's game? ๐Ÿ˜ฑ That's just not right. We need 2 step up & show Putin we mean bidness, fam ๐Ÿ’โ€โ™€๏ธ. Europe needs 2 put pressure on Russia 2 stop this aggression & let Ukraine have a say in its own future ๐Ÿค. We can't just sit back & watch history be made, we gotta act fast โฑ๏ธ. The EU needs 2 give Kyiv the resources it needs 2 resist Russian attacks, like military aid & financial support ๐Ÿ’ธ. This is NOT a game, Ukraine's sovereignty is on the line ๐ŸŒŸ!
 
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