UK IVF couples use legal loophole to rank embryos based on potential IQ, height and health

UK IVF Couples Turn to Dubious 'Smart Baby' Loophole to Pick Healthier, Smarter Kids

Families undergoing In Vitro Fertilization (IVF) in the UK are exploiting a loophole under data protection laws to send their embryo DNA abroad for analysis, allegedly to predict and select genetically superior offspring. The screening technique is banned by British fertility clinics due to scientific and ethical concerns.

The practice involves parents paying Β£50,000 to a US company called Herasight, which claims to deliver an average gain of six IQ points in children born from the selected embryos. In return for their data, couples receive genetic predictions about traits such as height, health risks, and intelligence quotient.

Critics argue that polygenic testing for embryo selection is unproven, raises concerns about unequal access to 'better' genes and a stratified society, and disregards existing laws governing IVF in the UK. However, under data protection regulations, patients can demand their embryos' raw genetic data without clinics being allowed to use it.

Dr Cristina Hickman, an embryologist at Avenues fertility clinic in London, says that rapid advances in embryo screening have left clinics facing "legal and ethical confusion." Despite her concerns, some couples have expressed willingness to pay for polygenic testing as a means of increasing their chances of producing healthier, smarter children.

In the UK, tests on embryos are limited to serious health conditions. However, if parents bank embryos under data protection laws, they can send them abroad for analysis. This raises questions about accountability and enforcement by the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority (HFEA). While some clinics have raised objections to the practice, others claim that blocking a couple's request would be against medical safety.

Several experts have condemned polygenic testing as unethical. Dr Angus Clarke of Cardiff University says that these companies deal in "murky science" where parents' expectations may not align with the reality of their genetic predictions.
 
omg i just dont get why ppl gotta do this πŸ€” they're already payin Β£50k for ivf, and now they wanna shell out even more just to know if their kid's gonna be super smart or whatever? isn't that like, assuming too much about a tiny human?! and what's with the 'selecting' thing? like, we're humans too, right?! πŸ™„ anyway, i guess its kinda interesting that ppl are willing to do this... but isn't it kinda weird that they're just sendin their embryos off 2 some random US company without anyone checkin if its even legit πŸ˜‚
 
πŸ€” I'm kinda worried about this 'smart baby' loophole thingy... πŸ‘€ They're sendin' embryo DNA abroad for analysis, and some company's makin' claims about gainin' 6 IQ points πŸ“šπŸ‘¨β€πŸŽ“ But critics say it's unproven & raises concerns about unequal access to 'better' genes 🀝 What if this ends up creatin' a stratified society? πŸŒ† Also, what happens when these parents find out their predictions are wrong? 😩

I've seen diagrams on how polygenic testing works πŸ“ŠπŸ”¬, but it's still kinda murky 🀯. I don't think we should be sendin' our embryos abroad just to try and pick the 'best' traits 🌟. Can't we just focus on makin' healthy, happy kids instead? πŸ‘§πŸΌβ€οΈ

Maybe we need to have a conversation about accountability & enforcement when it comes to IVF in the UK πŸ’¬. What if these companies are takin' advantage of desperate parents? πŸ€‘
 
omg u guys, can u believe this? 🀯 these couples r literally paying Β£50k to a US company just so they can pick healthier & smarter kids?! πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ it's like they think genetics is some kinda video game where u can just upgrade ur kid's IQ by 6 points lol no way that's not how it works. πŸ’Έ i'm all for parents wanting the best for their kids but this is just soooo extra. πŸ’β€β™€οΈ and what about the ethics of it all? we r talking about embryos here, like tiny tiny human souls. πŸ•ŠοΈ shouldn't we be worried about messing with nature a bit more? 🌿 anywayz, i'm lowkey concerned about where this gonna lead. is it just another example of ppl trying to buy their way into a better life? πŸ’ΈπŸ’”
 
omg i just read about this thing in the news and i am literally shook 😱 like what even is going on here?! so there are these IVF couples in the UK who are paying like 50k to send their embryo DNA to a US company for analysis and supposedly it'll predict their baby's intelligence quotient and stuff 🀯 and then they can choose which embryo to use if it comes out "healthier" or "smarter"... and i get why some people would wanna do that, but isn't this just like picking winners and losers in a genetic lottery? πŸ’” like what about the ones who don't make the cut? won't they be worthy parents too?! 😭
 
It's really concerning to see couples resorting to this loophole, paying a whopping Β£50,000 just to get some dubious information about their unborn child's intelligence quotient and health risks πŸ€”. The fact that British fertility clinics won't even touch this because it's unproven is a good thing, but the lack of accountability from Herasight and other companies doing these tests raises serious questions πŸ‘€.

I mean, think about it - we're talking about human embryos here, tiny little things that are going to shape our children's lives. And we're sending them off to be analyzed by some company in the US who claims to have a magic solution for making smarter kids 🀯. It's like something out of a sci-fi movie.

And what about the ethics of it all? I've spoken to several experts, and they're all saying that this kind of polygenic testing is just a recipe for disaster. We're playing with fire here, messing around with human DNA in a way that we don't even fully understand πŸ’₯.

It's also got me thinking about class and access - if only those who can afford it are going to be able to get these "smart" kids, then where does that leave everyone else? It's just not right πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ.
 
OMG 😱 I'm literally shook by this one! I mean, who wants to play God and pick the smartest genes for their kid?! 🀯 It's like, isn't that just going against the natural course of life? And what about all the variables that come into play – environment, upbringing, genetics (the ones you can't control)? Can we really predict how our kids will turn out at such a young age?!

And on top of that, there are serious concerns about unequal access to these "better" genes and a stratified society πŸ€”. Like, what if only certain people or families have the means to opt for polygenic testing? That's just not right! πŸ’―

And let's not forget about the ethics and science behind it all 😬. I mean, we're talking about altering the human genome here – it's like tampering with nature itself! 🌿 What if there are unintended consequences or side effects that we don't even know about yet?!

It's like Dr. Clarke said, these companies deal in "murky science" where parents' expectations may not align with reality πŸ’”. We need to be more careful and responsible when it comes to messing with our DNA! πŸ™…β€β™€οΈ
 
I mean, what's wrong with wanting to know more about your kid's future? Β£50k is a lot of cash though πŸ’ΈπŸ€― I'm all for people doing their research and making informed decisions. But at the same time, you gotta consider the ethics of it all... like, are we playing God or something? πŸ€” And what's the point of selecting for "better" genes if we're just gonna end up with a society where only the lucky ones thrive? πŸŒŽπŸ’‘ It's definitely a complicated issue. Maybe we should be focusing on providing more support and resources for families rather than giving them tools to potentially manipulate their kids' genetics... πŸ€πŸ‘©β€πŸ‘§
 
OMG u guys 🀯, can u believe this? So like, IVF couples in the UK are literally sending their embryo DNA to a US company for a 6 IQ point boost πŸ“ˆ and paying Β£50k for it 😱. But here's the thing - they're doing it under data protection laws because clinics won't do it due to scientific & ethical concerns πŸ€”. And honestly, I think it's pretty messed up πŸ’”. I mean, we know polygenic testing isn't proven yet, but people are still willing to pay for it like it's a sure thing πŸ’Έ.

And can we talk about the inequality aspect? If some couples get access to 'better' genes and others don't, that's just not right πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ. And what happens when these companies start selling this info to third parties? That's just straight up creepy πŸ‘». I'm all for parents wanting the best for their kids, but we need to be careful here 😊.

Stats on polygenic testing:
- 85% of UK clinics object to the practice 🚫
- 72% of experts say it's unethical πŸ’”
- Average cost: Β£50k πŸ’Έ

Let's keep this convo going! πŸ‘‡
 
I'm really concerned about this "smart baby" loophole πŸ˜•. I mean, Β£50,000 is a lot of money to spend on something that's still considered unproven and raises huge questions about equality and fairness. If parents can just opt out of the existing laws governing IVF in the UK because they're willing to pay for these polygenic tests, then what's stopping them from choosing the "better" genes? It sounds like a recipe for a stratified society where only those who can afford it get to reap the benefits πŸ€”. And let's not forget about the lack of accountability - if parents are just sending their embryos abroad for analysis without anyone checking on the ethics of these companies, then that's just irresponsible πŸ’”. I think we need to have a serious conversation about what's really driving this trend and whether it's worth putting our children's health and well-being at risk πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ.
 
πŸ€” This is super concerning, you guys! I mean, Β£50k for a chance to "pick healthier, smarter kids"? It's like they're buying a lottery ticket, but it's someone else's DNA we're talking about πŸ€‘. And what's with the companies just taking advantage of loopholes in data protection laws? It's like they think they can get away with playing God or something 😬. I don't think it's right that couples are being pressured into this kind of thing, especially when there's no concrete proof it works. It's all just a bunch of hocus pocus πŸ§™β€β™€οΈ. And what about the implications for society as a whole? Are we really gonna end up with a "stratified" population where some people are genetically superior to others? No way, man πŸ‘Ž
 
I'm low-key concerned about this whole 'smart baby' loophole thing πŸ€”. I mean, who wants to gamble with their kid's genetics, right? Β£50,000 is a small fortune – that's like 3-4 years' worth of rent in London! And six IQ points? That's not even a guaranteed outcome, let alone a scientific fact πŸ˜’.

And what about the ethics of it all? I know some clinics are worried about legal issues, but shouldn't we be focusing on making sure these parents are getting proper medical advice and support? This whole thing just feels like a bunch of untested science being pushed as a 'solution' to having perfect kids 🚫.

And what about the accessibility side of things? Only those who can afford it get access to this 'genetic advantage'? That's not fair, mate πŸ˜’. We need to be talking about how we're going to regulate this stuff and make sure everyone has access to proper healthcare, not just those with deep pockets πŸ’Έ.
 
I'm not sure about this "smart baby" loophole... Β£50,000 is a pretty penny and I think there are better ways to ensure your little ones turn out healthy and smart πŸ€”. The idea that you can predict and select for those traits raises some serious questions about equality and fairness, especially if it's only available to those who can afford it πŸ’Έ. And what exactly do we know about the accuracy of these tests? It sounds like a lot of "murky science" to me πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ. I'm all for supporting families trying to have healthy kids, but let's make sure we're not creating a system that favors those who can afford the best genetic predictions over those who can't πŸ™…β€β™‚οΈ.
 
I'm really worried about this whole 'Smart Baby' thing 🀯... Like, what's next? Parents gonna choose the IQ of their kid just cuz it'll be better for college apps or something? It sounds like a right old mess to me! πŸ’” And another thing, how much are we gonna end up paying for these tests? Β£50k is crazy talk! πŸ€‘ It's all well and good that parents wanna have healthy, smart kids, but isn't it just gonna create more inequality down the line? Like, what if only certain families can afford these fancy genetic tests? That sounds like a recipe for social unrest to me! 🚨 And what about all those embryos that get 'sent abroad' for analysis... ain't that just a bit dodgy? I mean, who's really holding these companies accountable for this sort of thing? It's a right old gray area, if you ask me... 😬
 
πŸ€” so i'm seeing this trend in ivf and it's like ppl are really desperate to have a kid who's gonna be all genius and healthy lol but what's the catch? πŸ€‘ these companies r making money off ppl's hopes and dreams, but is it even scientifically legit? πŸ˜‚ and what about the ethics of messing around with human DNA? it feels like we're playing god or something. πŸ™ also, i'm worried about unequal access to 'better' genes... what if only wealthy ppl can afford these tests? that's just not fair, fam πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ
 
I'm worried about this trend πŸ€•. I mean, I get it, who wouldn't want to know if they're having a genius or a brainiac? But paying Β£50k for a chance at a 6 IQ point boost feels like a lot of risk, you know? And what's the guarantee that these companies are doing it right? It sounds like we're playing genetic roulette 🎲. Plus, isn't this just another way to label people based on their genes? I don't want my kid to be labeled as "smart" or "average"... they should be valued for who they are, not what DNA they have πŸ’•. And what about the ethics of it all? Are we really ready for this kind of decision-making when it comes to our kids' genetic makeup? πŸ€”
 
πŸ€” I'm worried about this whole situation. I mean, who gets to decide what's 'better' or healthier for a kid? It sounds like a lot of pressure on parents and potentially unfair to those who can't afford these fancy tests. And what happens when the results aren't exactly what you hoped for? Do we just throw away an embryo that doesn't fit your idea of perfection? πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ
 
πŸ€” I'm so over this 'smart baby' loophole. Like, what's next? Paying to predict your kid's personality? Β£50k is insane and it's just a gamble. We're already worried about the cost of IVF, now we gotta worry about the cost of making our kids "genetically superior"? It's like, what even does that mean? πŸ€‘

And don't even get me started on the science behind this stuff. I've seen some basic info online and it just sounds like a bunch of mumbo-jumbo. Who are these companies running tests on embryos and what's to stop them from messing with the data? It's like we're playing God here, but without the whole "God" thing... πŸ™„

I also can't help but think about the inequality aspect. If only people who can afford this can get their hands on "genetically superior" offspring, that's just not right. What about those who can't? Do they deserve to have kids with, like, actual health problems? I don't know, but something doesn't sit right with me... πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ
 
ugh i dont get why they gotta exploit a loophole like this πŸ€”... these couples r paying Β£50k to some US company just 4 a 6 point IQ gain? that sounds suspicious tbh, and whats the science behind it anyway? πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ cant they jus stick 2 the regular IVF tests thats what we've been doin for yrs no one's had a bad outcome from dat πŸ™…β€β™‚οΈ
 
man this is so messed up 🀯 they're literally playing God and trying to engineer their kids to be smarter and healthier but what if it doesn't work out like they think 😬 the science is still pretty sketchy and there's no guarantee that these tests are accurate or fair to everyone involved...and what about the cost? Β£50,000 is just insane πŸ’Έ and what's next, paying for a kid's college fund based on their DNA? this whole thing feels like a recipe for disaster 🚨
 
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