Economic growth is still heating the planet. Is there any way out?

The text is an article discussing the concept of "post-growth economics" and its relationship with other economic schools of thought, such as green Keynesians and green capitalists. It explores the differences between these groups' views on the possibility of sustainable growth and their proposed policies to achieve it.

The article begins by introducing the three main families of ecological economics: post-growth, green Keynesians, and green capitalists. Each family has its own approach to addressing environmental challenges and promoting sustainability.

Post-growth economists argue that continued economic growth is not possible within the planet's boundaries and advocate for a radical reduction in production and consumption to avoid further degradation of life-supporting systems. They point to the scenario presented in Limits to Growth, which suggests that long-term productivity slowdowns and low growth are already occurring or will soon occur.

In contrast, green Keynesians believe that green growth is possible through state-led transition and propose policies such as the green new deal and public investment in renewable energy and infrastructure. Green capitalists also support green growth but rely on market reforms and technological innovation to achieve it, with a focus on carbon pricing and deregulation of green industries.

The article concludes by highlighting the uncertainties surrounding the path to achieving sustainable growth and the need for policymakers to prioritize wellbeing over economic growth.

Here are some key points from the text:

* Post-growth economics advocates for radical reduction in production and consumption to avoid environmental degradation.
* Green Keynesians propose state-led transition to green growth through policies like the green new deal and public investment.
* Green capitalists support market-driven approaches to green growth, including carbon pricing and deregulation of green industries.

These points highlight the differences between these economic families' views on sustainable growth and their proposed policies.
 
I'm not sure about this whole post-growth economics thing ๐Ÿค”. I mean, I get the concern for the environment and all, but don't we just need to find ways to reduce our waste and consumption without completely shutting down the economy? ๐Ÿšฎ It seems like these economists are painting everything with a very broad brush - "radical reduction" sounds way too extreme to me ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ. What's wrong with just making some gradual changes to our production and consumption habits? Do we really need to go back to living in caves or something? ๐Ÿ˜‚ I'm also not convinced by these green Keynesians - what makes them think the state can single-handedly solve all our environmental problems without some kind of actual economic stimulus? ๐Ÿค” And don't even get me started on green capitalists... more regulation and deregulation, really? That just sounds like a bunch of corporate loopholes to me ๐Ÿ˜’. Can someone please share some credible sources on this topic so I can understand where these economists are coming from? ๐Ÿ’ก
 
idk about post-growth economics man... seems kinda bleak ๐Ÿค” it's like, we gotta cut back way too much or it'll be a total disaster ๐Ÿ’ฅ but at the same time, green Keynesians' approach sounds pretty optimistic - all this state-led transition stuff and public investment in renewables could really make a difference ๐ŸŒž and then there's green capitalists... they're kinda like the pragmatists ๐Ÿค‘ thinking market reforms and tech innovation can solve everything... but what if it just creates more problems? ๐Ÿคฏ anyway, I'm still trying to wrap my head around this whole sustainable growth thing... seems like we need a mix of both perspectives ๐Ÿค
 
its all gonna go downhill anyway... so theres this whole concept of post-growth economics now, and its like, we cant keep growin like this no more cuz were runnin outta resources & stuff ๐ŸŒŽ๐Ÿ’ธ... the idea is to cut back on production & consumption, but thats just a way of sayin we give up ๐Ÿค”... theres these 3 fams: post-growth, green Keynesians, & green capitalists. each one thinks they got the answer to savin the planet... post-growth says were outta time, green Keynesians wanna goverment intervene & make it all green, and green capitalists just wanna let the market do its thing ๐Ÿค‘... but honestly, whats the point? we keep makin the same mistakes & expecting different results... ๐Ÿšซ๐Ÿ’ธ
 
im so over all this "sustainable growth" nonsense ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™‚๏ธ. like, can we just accept that growth is inherently destructive to the planet? it's not like humans have a proven track record of managing resources without screwing things up ๐Ÿ˜’. post-growth economics might be the only way to even hope for some semblance of environmental sanity, but it sounds like a total cop-out ๐Ÿค”. who's gonna fund all this radical reduction in production and consumption? the government? lol no thanks ๐Ÿ’ธ. green Keynesians are just gonna tax us more or something ๐Ÿค‘, while green capitalists will just keep on profiting off our demise ๐Ÿ’€. meanwhile, we're stuck with policymakers trying to balance wellbeing over economic growth... like that's even possible ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ.
 
I think its all about finding a balance between progress & our planet ๐ŸŒŽ๐Ÿ’š. We gotta stop thinking its just about getting richer & more stuff, 'cause we're running out of space & resources. I mean, have you seen the state of our oceans lately? It's not looking good ๐Ÿ ๐Ÿ˜ท. Anyway, I think post-growth economics is a good start, but we also need to see some action from governments on investing in renewables & green tech, and maybe some more regulation to keep companies honest about their carbon footprint ๐Ÿ’ฐ๐Ÿ“‰.
 
I was just talking about this in my economics group at school ๐Ÿค”. So I think it's really interesting that there are different schools of thought on how to make economies more sustainable. Like, me and my friends were discussing whether we should try to find ways to reduce consumption even further, like with a minimalism club or something. But our teacher said it might not be the most effective way, since some people can't just change their habits that easily ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ.

I also saw this video about green Keynesians on YouTube and I thought it was cool how they're trying to use government policies to push for sustainable growth ๐Ÿ“Š. And then there's green capitalists, who seem to think that market forces can drive the change without needing as much government intervention ๐Ÿ’ธ. But what really got me thinking is when the article said policymakers need to prioritize wellbeing over economic growth... like, how do they even measure that? ๐Ÿค” Do we just have to keep track of our happiness levels or something? ๐Ÿ˜‚
 
I'm still stuck in the pre-virtual world thinking... I mean, what's wrong with a good old-fashioned recession, right? ๐Ÿ˜‚ Post-growth economics is all about cutting back, you know, like when my dad used to say "less is more" during the great recession of '08. I get it, we need to protect our planet, but radical reduction in production and consumption sounds like a bit too much for me.

And those green Keynesians, they sound like the politicians from back then who promised us the world with a green new deal... remember that? ๐Ÿคฃ Anyway, state-led transition is all well and good, but I'm not sure I want my government dictating what's best for my wallet. I'd rather see some market forces at play.

Green capitalists, though, I can get behind. Carbon pricing and deregulation of green industries might just be the ticket to a more sustainable future... without breaking the bank. But seriously, all this talk about wellbeing over economic growth is a bit too utopian for my taste. Give me something concrete, you know? ๐Ÿ’ธ
 
I'm wondering if we're living in a time where our economies are still clinging to this notion of perpetual growth, like a ship trying to break free from its anchor. ๐ŸŒŠ The idea that there's no limit to what we can produce and consume just seems so... unrealistic now. I mean, have we seen the stats on resource depletion and climate change? It's like we're playing catch-up with our own destructive tendencies.

And yet, here we are, debating which way to go: radical reduction in production and consumption (post-growth), state-led transition to green growth (green Keynesians), or market-driven approaches (green capitalists). ๐Ÿค” It feels like we're just tweaking the dials on an old machine, hoping it'll somehow magically start producing better results. But what if that's just not possible? What if our economies are inherently unsustainable?

I think what really gets me is how we prioritize economic growth over wellbeing and the planet's very survival. ๐ŸŒŸ Can't we find a way to redefine what success looks like? One that doesn't require us to sacrifice our future for the sake of short-term gains? It's not about being pessimistic, I just feel like we need to be more realistic about where we're headed...
 
I'm low-key worried about our planet's future ๐ŸŒŽ๐Ÿ’”. I mean, have you seen the stats on greenhouse gas emissions? It's like, we're literally suffocating the earth with pollution. And now there are these different schools of thought trying to figure out how to save us - post-growth economics, green Keynesians, and green capitalists.

I think it's dope that people are even having this conversation. Post-growth economists make some sense to me, though. I mean, we can't keep relying on infinite growth like it's 1999 ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™‚๏ธ. But at the same time, I'm not sure if radical reduction in production and consumption is the way forward either.

I'd love to see more public investment in renewable energy and infrastructure from green Keynesians. We need that kind of scale-up to make a real difference. And green capitalists? I'm all for market reforms and tech innovation, but let's not forget about social and environmental justice ๐Ÿค.

Ultimately, I think we just need to find a balance between economic growth and sustainability. It's gonna take some trial and error, but at least we're having the conversation, right? ๐Ÿคž
 
๐Ÿค” so i think its pretty cool that people are having this convo about post-growth economics... like we can't keep living life as usual and expecting everything to magically work out ๐ŸŒŽ but at the same time, the idea of green Keynesians and green capitalists seems kinda contradictory - on one hand you want growth but also want to save the planet... anyway, i think its awesome that ppl are thinking outside the box (or in this case, the growth paradigm) ๐Ÿ’ก
 
OMG you guys ๐Ÿคฏ I'm literally so hyped about this post-growth economics thingy ๐Ÿ’ก it's like, we need to rethink our whole economic system fam, you know? ๐Ÿค” I mean, can we just keep growing forever? no way, right? ๐Ÿ™…โ€โ™€๏ธ The planet is literally screaming at us to slow down and chill ๐Ÿ˜ด.

I'm loving the green Keynesians tho ๐Ÿ’š they're like, "Hey, we can make this work with a little government investment and some radical policy changes" ๐Ÿ’ธ And I'm over here like, YAAAS, more renewable energy and public transport for everyone ๐Ÿš€๐ŸšŒ.

But post-growth economics is like, the ultimate reset button ๐Ÿ”“. We need to get rid of all that consumption and production chaos and start fresh ๐ŸŒฑ๐Ÿ’ช. It's not gonna be easy, but I'm down for a world where growth isn't the only metric we care about ๐Ÿค

I'm curious tho... what do you guys think? Can we make green growth work through market reforms or is it all about radical change ๐Ÿค”
 
I'm totally confused about this whole post-growth thing... like, can we still have stuff without destroying the planet? ๐Ÿค” I mean, I've seen those videos of sea life dying off and it's just devastating. Can't we just stop producing so much stuff already? ๐Ÿšฎ But then I saw that green Keynesians are all about government investment in renewable energy... how does that work? Is it like a big bailout for companies making sustainable products or something? ๐Ÿค‘
 
I'm loving this conversation about post-growth economics! ๐Ÿคฉ I think it's so cool that there are people thinking outside the box when it comes to solving our environmental problems. The idea of radical reduction in production and consumption is actually kinda appealing - who doesn't want to live more sustainably, right? ๐ŸŒŽ And I'm all for green Keynesians pushing for state-led transition - we need governments to step up and invest in renewable energy and infrastructure ASAP! ๐Ÿ’ฐ But what really gets me excited is the potential for green capitalists to make a real difference through market reforms and technological innovation. Carbon pricing and deregulation of green industries could be total game-changers! Let's keep the conversation going and see if we can find a way forward that works for everyone ๐Ÿค
 
OMG, u guys! ๐Ÿคฏ I think its like super important 2 consider the future of our planet & all livin creatures ๐ŸŒŽ๐Ÿ’š When i think about post-growth economics & green Keynesians, im like "ok, that sounds kinda reasonable lol" . Like, who doesnt want 2 save the world, rite? ๐Ÿ˜‚ But then there's green capitalists & they're all about market reform & tech innovation... im not sure if thats gonna work ๐Ÿค”

I think what i love most bout post-growth economics is its focus on wellbeing over growth. like, whats the point of makin a ton of money if we cant even breathe? ๐Ÿ˜‚ its all about livin in harmony with nature, you know? ๐Ÿ’š So yeah, ill def be keepin an eye on these economic families & their ideas... might just change the way im thinkin bout money & stuff ๐Ÿค‘
 
I gotta say, I'm all about giving post-growth economists a chance to be heard ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ. People say they're just trying to stop us from screwing up the planet, but what if it's actually a necessary step? We've been growing like crazy for centuries and look where we are โ€“ climate change is real and so is our addiction to stuff ๐Ÿ˜ฉ. I mean, don't get me wrong, I love a good tech gadget as much as the next person, but do we really need more of everything all the time?

I think it's kinda cool that green Keynesians want to make sustainable growth a reality through government-led initiatives ๐Ÿค. It's like they're saying, "Hey, we can have our cake and eat it too โ€“ just invest in renewable energy and infrastructure instead of blowing all your cash on fossil fuels." And then there's the green capitalists who are all about market forces and carbon pricing ๐Ÿ’ธ. They might be a bit too trusting of the free market for my taste, but hey, it's not like they're not trying.

The thing is, nobody's got it right yet ๐Ÿค”. We need to figure out what works best for us as a society and our planet. It won't be easy, but at least we can have an honest discussion about it ๐Ÿ”ฅ.
 
I'm not sure I agree with this whole post-growth thing ๐Ÿค”. Like, isn't our goal as a society to improve people's lives and make the world a better place? If we just cut back production and consumption all together, won't that just lead to more poverty and inequality? I think green Keynesians might have a point about investing in renewable energy and infrastructure, but shouldn't we be looking for ways to boost economic growth that don't come at the expense of the environment? And what's with this idea that we need to 'prioritize wellbeing over economic growth'? Don't these two things go hand-in-hand? I'm just not convinced that post-growth economics is the way forward ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ.
 
so i'm reading this article about post-growth economics and it's got me thinking - we need a shift in how we think about economy and growth, you know? like, just because we're not dying or whatever doesn't mean we can keep going all out without harming the planet ๐ŸŒŽ. these post-growth folks are saying that we gotta slow down and reduce our consumption way more than we do now. it's like, i get it, convenience is cool and all, but at what cost to the future of our planet? ๐Ÿ’ธ

and then you got your green Keynesians and green capitalists trying to find ways to make growth work with sustainability, but from different angles. like, the green Keynesians are all about state-led transition and investing in renewable energy, whereas the green capitalists are more about market reforms and innovation ๐Ÿค–. it's interesting because i think we need a mix of both, you know? like, government can help regulate things and provide funding for green initiatives, but at the same time, we gotta make sure there's room for innovation and growth to happen too ๐ŸŒˆ.

anyway, what really got me was when they said that policymakers should prioritize wellbeing over economic growth. like, yeah no kidding! because if we're not healthy and happy, how can we even afford all the stuff we need? ๐Ÿ˜‚ it's time for a change in our thinking about economy and sustainability, you feel me? ๐Ÿ’–
 
I'm still trying to wrap my head around this post-growth economics thing... ๐Ÿคฏ It just seems like it's saying that we can't keep growing forever, you know? Like, our planet is already struggling to keep up with us.

So I'm reading about these different schools of thought - green Keynesians and green capitalists too. They all seem to be on the same page when it comes to wanting sustainable growth, but they're proposing different ways to get there.

It's like the post-growth folks are saying "no more growth", while the others are saying "growth is possible if we just do it right". And I'm not sure which one I believe... ๐Ÿค”

What really gets me is that the article says policymakers need to prioritize wellbeing over economic growth. Like, isn't that what they're already doing? It's a bit confusing, to be honest.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that this post-growth economics thing is giving me some food for thought... ๐Ÿด
 
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