Labour MPs could rebel over Hillsborough law after talks with families break down

Labour's Hillsborough law faces threat of rebellion as talks with families break down over duty of candour for intelligence officers.

Keir Starmer, Labour leader, is facing a potential crisis after talks with families affected by the 1989 Hillsborough disaster and the 2017 Manchester Arena bombing broke down. The issue is over the proposed "duty of candour" law, which aims to enforce honesty from public officials and contractors in the wake of disasters.

However, some families feel that the current proposals do not go far enough, particularly when it comes to protecting serving intelligence officers. They want individual officers to be required to give evidence without fear of reprisal or being able to veto their testimony due to national security concerns.

This concern stems from the 2017 Manchester Arena bombing inquiry, where MI5's actions were widely criticized for being misleading and withholding crucial information that could have prevented the attack. Caroline Curry, whose son Liam died in the bombing, described this lack of transparency as "torture" for her family.

Starmer was said to be receptive during talks with families but ultimately unable to satisfy their demands. The Labour party's stance has been weakened by some MPs rebelling against the bill due to concerns over national security. A Labour MP who submitted an amendment for the law to apply to individual intelligence service officers said it would be "the saddest moment of my political life" if he couldn't back the legislation.

Government sources claim that Starmer is committed to working with families to strengthen the bill, but some argue that the proposals are still too lenient. Pete Weatherby KC, a director of the Hillsborough Law Now campaign, warned that the government's current stance risks allowing "lies and cover-ups" from intelligence agencies to occur again.

As a result, the Labour party's plans for the Hillborough law have been put on hold, with the bill now expected to be delayed until next week. The government remains committed to passing the legislation but is working to address family concerns over national security safeguards.
 
ugh this is getting really frustrating 🀯 I mean I get why families want those intelligence officers to feel safe but can't they see how this is affecting everything else?? like we're still dealing with trauma from Hillsborough and Manchester Arena and now we're putting more stress on the families by not making sure that everyone's protected? I'm literally dying over here thinking about Caroline Curry's experience with Liam... it's just so heartbreaking 😭
 
I'm so worried about these families and their experience... it's like they're still going through a traumatic loop πŸ’”. I get that there are some sensitive issues around intelligence officers, but shouldn't we be prioritizing transparency and accountability? It feels like the government and Labour party are dancing around the truth again πŸ•Ί. Can't we just have honesty and openness from our public officials? πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ The fact that some MPs are rebelling over national security concerns is really concerning - what's more important, safety or secrecy? πŸ€” This whole thing feels like a mess... let's hope they can get it together and make things right πŸ’ͺ.
 
πŸ€” I'm really disappointed to hear that talks between Labour and families affected by these tragedies broke down... πŸ˜” it's like, you'd think we'd be way further along on getting some answers and accountability for those who are supposed to keep us safe. πŸ™„ the fact that some families feel the current proposals don't go far enough is totally valid, especially when it comes to protecting serving officers from having their testimony withheld due to national security concerns... πŸ’” I mean, wouldn't we want to know what happened in these cases so we can learn and prevent similar tragedies from happening again? πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ
 
πŸ€” This whole thing just sounds like another example of how politics can get really messy, especially when it comes to things that affect real people's lives... I mean, you've got families who are still reeling from tragedy and they're asking for some basic transparency and honesty, but at the same time, you've also got concerns about national security. It's a bit like how the government is always saying we need to balance individual freedoms with keeping us safe, but what does that even mean in practice? Is it just an excuse for them not to be transparent? The whole thing just feels like a classic case of politicians trying to avoid making any real decisions... πŸ™ƒ
 
πŸ™„ I mean, what's new? Politicians can't even agree on how to deal with traumatic events... it's like they're stuck in a never-ending cycle of 'oh no, we need to be more transparent' followed by 'no, no, we can't compromise national security'. And then there are the families, who just want some semblance of truth and accountability. It's like they're being left in the dark again πŸ•°οΈ. Maybe it's time for a reality check? πŸ˜’
 
I'm tellin' ya, it's like they're playin' a game of whack-a-mole here... πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ First, you think you've got everything covered, then some family comes along and says "nope, not good enough". I mean, I get where the families are comin' from, especially after what happened in Manchester. It's like they're sayin', "Hey, we want the truth, no matter what". But at the same time, you don't wanna put serving officers in a situation where they can be bullied or intimidated into not tellin' the whole truth. πŸ€” It's like tryin' to find that perfect balance between bein' honest and protectin' people who are doin' their job. I hope they figure it out soon, 'cause this is just gettin' ridiculous... 😩
 
man... it's just so frustrating πŸ€• when people in power can't seem to agree on what's best for those affected by tragedy πŸ˜” like the families of Hillsborough and Manchester Arena bombing victims... they're already going through so much emotional pain, and now they have to deal with politicians who can't even get their act together πŸ’Ό it's like they're being pitted against each other instead of working together to make things right 🀝 as a society, we should be supporting these families more, not making them fight for justice over and over again 🌎
 
πŸ˜” man, it's crazy how some families are still fighting for truth and transparency after all these years 🀯... I mean, 1989 was like, forever ago πŸ•°οΈ... The thought of serving intelligence officers being able to withhold evidence is just wrong 😑... I get that national security is a thing, but can't we find a way to balance it with the need for honesty? πŸ€” It's not fair to families who've already lost loved ones because of misinformation or cover-ups πŸ’”... The Labour party needs to step up and make some changes πŸ“ˆ... Delaying the bill until next week just feels like kicking the can down the road πŸƒβ€β™‚οΈ... Something's gotta give here πŸ‘Š
 
I'm getting this vibe that the gov's being super cautious about who gets to spill the beans in these disasters... I mean, it's all about protecting those who did the wrong thing, right? πŸ€” It's like they're more concerned with keeping their own people safe than making sure justice is served. Meanwhile, families of victims are just trying to get some closure and answers. This whole "duty of candour" law needs to be tightened up ASAP, especially when it comes to those in the intel game 🚫😑
 
I'm so sorry I missed this thread I feel like I'm always late to the party πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ anyway, I think it's really concerning that some families are feeling that the current proposals don't go far enough in protecting serving intelligence officers I mean, if we want to create a culture of honesty and transparency, we need to make sure that everyone involved is held accountable, regardless of their position or role πŸ’―

I can see why Caroline Curry would feel like her family's experience was "torture" – the lack of transparency and information from MI5 during the Manchester Arena bombing inquiry was appalling πŸ€• It's hard for families to move on when they know that there were mistakes made that could have been prevented.

I'm not surprised that some Labour MPs are rebelling against the bill due to national security concerns, but I think it's a slippery slope if we start watering down the law like this 🌊 Pete Weatherby KC makes a good point – if we don't strengthen the bill, we risk allowing lies and cover-ups to happen again.

I hope Keir Starmer is able to work with families to find a compromise that addresses everyone's concerns 🀞
 
omg, this whole thing is like a bad episode of "who can't tell the truth?" πŸ™ˆ i mean, families are already dealing with trauma and grief, and now they're trying to get some honesty out of the government? it's like asking for too much from someone who can barely remember their password 🀣 but seriously tho, if we cant trust our intelligence agencies to be transparent, how can we expect them to keep us safe? its a tough one
 
OMG, what's going on with this Hillsborough law 🀯? I mean, I'm all for transparency and honesty, especially when it comes to disasters like that. But at the same time, can't we just make sure that intelligence officers aren't worried about getting in trouble if they tell the truth? πŸ€” I remember reading about that Manchester Arena bombing inquiry and how MI5 was super shady with their info... it's still giving me the chills thinking about it 😱. The fact that some families are saying the current proposals aren't good enough is really worrying, especially when you consider what happened back in 2017 πŸ•°οΈ. I hope Keir Starmer can get this right and make sure the law works for everyone, but at the same time, let's not forget about those poor families who are still dealing with the aftermath of that disaster πŸ’”
 
Umm... I'm still trying to understand why we need laws that force people in charge to tell the truth? Like, what's wrong with just being honest all along? πŸ€” And I don't get why serving intelligence officers can't give evidence without worrying about getting hurt for speaking up. It's kinda like if someone did something bad and was hiding it from a doctor... wouldn't we want them to come forward so we can help others not make the same mistake? πŸ’‘ But what do I know, I'm just a newbie on this whole politics thing πŸ˜…
 
I gotta say, this whole thing with the Hillsborough law is a real mess 🀯. I mean, you've got families who are still grieving all these years later and they're still not getting the answers they want from the government and Labour party. It's like, come on, guys! You can't just gloss over what happened and move on without making sure that justice is served.

And now it sounds like some of the families are feeling like their voices aren't being heard, which is super frustrating πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ. I mean, you'd think that with all the scrutiny going on, Labour would be able to get something done that makes everyone feel comfortable. But nope, instead we're stuck in limbo and it's just causing more drama.

I'm not sure what the solution is here, but I do know that we need to make sure that our public officials are held accountable for their actions 🀝. It's time to stop playing politics with people's lives and start getting some real answers. Fingers crossed that Labour can get it together soon! πŸ’ͺ
 
This is such a tricky situation πŸ€”. I think it's unfair to blame Keir Starmer for not being able to satisfy the families' demands, especially when they're asking for individual intelligence officers to be completely protected from scrutiny. It's like they want them to be above the law? πŸ™„ The government is right to say that national security should take precedence here - we can't have our spies running around without worrying about who might spill the beans πŸ’₯.

I also feel bad for Caroline Curry and her family - I can imagine how painful it must be to deal with the aftermath of such a tragedy, only to see their concerns being dismissed by politicians πŸ€•. But at the same time, we can't have our public servants running around like they're above accountability - that's not what democracy is all about πŸ’ͺ.

Maybe the Labour party and the government can find some middle ground here? Like, maybe there are ways to balance national security with transparency and honesty 🀝. I'm all for them working together to strengthen the bill and make sure it passes next week 🌟.
 
Ugh, dis is so frustrating πŸ€―πŸ’”. Can't even agree on 1 thing πŸ˜’. These fams want it all πŸ’β€β™€οΈ: transparency + no reprisal πŸ”’. But then we gotta worry 'bout nats sec πŸ•΅οΈβ€β™‚οΈ. It's like, can't we find a happy medium? 🀝🌈. I mean, we don't wanna let liars get away with it 🚫, but at the same time, we gotta protect our brave officers πŸ’ͺ. Can't they just, like, talk more πŸ’¬? πŸ˜’
 
Ugh, this is gonna end in disaster... I mean, what's the point of even having a "duty of candour" law if it just gets watered down because some families are being super sensitive about national security? It's like they're trying to protect the intelligence agencies' backsides. And now Keir Starmer's getting roasted by his own MPs for not standing up firm enough... This is a mess, and I'm sure we'll see another wave of tragic events just 'cause no one was willing to make some tough decisions πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈπŸ’”
 
I'm getting really frustrated with this whole situation 🀯... I mean, come on, how can we expect public officials and contractors to tell the truth after disasters when they're not even going to be held accountable for lying in the past? πŸ™„ Like, what's the point of having a "duty of candour" law if it just gets watered down to appease national security concerns? πŸ˜’ It's like, yes, we get it, intel agencies can be sketchy, but do we really need to protect their feelings more than the families of those who died in disasters? πŸ’” The Labour party is weakening on this one, and it's just not right πŸ™…β€β™‚οΈ. We need stronger laws, not ones that let "lies and cover-ups" slide again... what happened to accountability, I ask you?! 😀
 
😞 this whole thing is so frustrating... i mean, can't we just get it right for once? 🀯 families are still hurting from those tragic events and now they're being told that some intelligence officers won't have to reveal the truth because of 'national security' concerns... it's like, what's more national than keeping people safe?! πŸ™„ it's not like these officers are above the law just because they wear a badge. πŸš” we need to make sure that everyone, including public officials and contractors, is held accountable for their actions after disasters. πŸ’” let's hope starmer comes back with some real solutions soon... this delay is just causing more pain for the families 😭
 
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